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**Mr Tuition** · #1 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 14:42

So if I wanted to change hosts (from slow sql Omnis) to Eukhost, what would be the procedure. Omins currently have my domain name, would they continue to own this but point it to this host, or does the domain name need to be trasfered over to eukhost.com.

I can make a backup of the databse, but do you provide phpMyadmin or any other database editors, or should I install my own when I move over to you.

**WelshTom** · #2 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 14:52

Hello.

I'm assuming the plan that would most suit you would be a linux shared hosting plan.

The linux shared hosting plans can be seen here: http://www.eukhost.com/cpanel-web-hosting.php

eUKhost provide a free domain with each of the shared hosting plans for linux, so you can either transfer your domain over to eUKhost for free, or keep it with your current domain registrar and point the nameservers to the eUKhost nameservers.

PhpMyAdmin is provided with all linux shared hosting plans, so you'll be able to manage your databases etc.

Let me know if you need any more help...

**Mr Tuition** · #3 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 15:14

Hi there, many questions sorry.

1. Wouldnt vps-hosting be more suitable, what do I need cpanel and programing support for? all i need to do is reinstall the db, and pull over the exisitng files.

vps-hosting seems to offer more space, and possibly more speed for the price, but less support and tools.

2. Hang on, are these correct prices: Yearly Price £22.99 £29.99 £37.99 £54.99 £69.99 (for shared Cpanel)

3. Will I get a a more reliable Myslq service if I use vps (less users sharing on the same host). I will be hosting pages for thousands of users, but need this site for a reliable forum.

**WelshTom** · #4 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 16:07

VPS packages can be seen here: http://www.eukhost.com/vps-hosting.php

The VPS is just like a dedicated server, but instead on a main primary node shared (with your own individual root access) with about 10 other people.

**Mr Tuition** · #5 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 16:48

That doesnt sound like a bad inbetween,

dedicated servers are a bit too much for me, shared hosting is normally far to slow, but if Im only sharing with 10 others It wont be too bad...

1)I really want an example site before I comit (some on who is doing this and using the Myslq db)

2)are the databases on the same servers for vps (or fast access)?

3) Is there a limit to the number of connections to the mysql server a site can make for vps, so other hosts wont use all of the resources

**developmentxl** · #6 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 17:26

I am currently using a VPS but don't yet have any great database heavy examples up there, but I do know of http://www.find-a-videographer.com/ which is hosted on an eUKHost Linux VPS-02 server.

This is a rather busy site which performs a lot of mysql queries. For example; each time a change is made on the select elements a mysql query is performed to get an xml list of appropriate regions/locales, this is even before the search is performed!

I looked after this site for quite a while with no speed problems.

**Mr Tuition** · #7 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 17:36

queries seem pretty quick (will check during peak times though), any other examples would be great, I may join eukhost in a week, and move over.

Any other examples would be great

can anyone answer questions 2 and 3 .... then will feel assured. (once bitten twice shy)
- also, where are the data centers located?

**flesso** · #8 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 17:43

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Originally Posted by Mr Tuition

queries seem pretty quick (will check during peak times though), any other examples would be great, I may join eukhost in a week, and move over.

Any other examples would be great

can anyone answer questions 2 and 3 .... then will feel assured. (once bitten twice shy)
- also, where are the data centers located?

Servers are hosted out of a private cage which is located within the Bluesquare data centre, located in Maidenhead, Berkshire.

**developmentxl** · #9 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 17:45

The MySQL databases are stored on the same servers, yes.

What's great about a VPS is that you have all the control of a dedicated, i.e. you can install any version of MySQL server you like and set it up so it performs as efficiently as possible for your needs.

I'm not sure about question 3, will have to leave that to the eUK staff.

The datacentre is located in Maidenhead (http://www.eukhost.com/uk-datacenter.php)

**WelshTom** · #10 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 18:05

Yes, VPS is virtually a dedicated server, there is almost no difference at all, except that it's a server on a server :P

**eUKhost.com** · #11 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 20:34

More MySQL connections will need more RAM and once you use your allocated RAM you wont be allowed to overload server with more connections. Virtuozzo will shutdown your vps if you try to overload your vps and you will need to contact our VPS team to help you rectify problems overloading your VPS.

**247h** · #12 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 21:34

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Originally Posted by eUKhost.com

More MySQL connections will need more RAM and once you use your allocated RAM you wont be allowed to overload server with more connections. Virtuozzo will shutdown your vps if you try to overload your vps and you will need to contact our VPS team to help you rectify problems overloading your VPS.

I think what Mark's inferring is you'd be better off with a dedicated server if you MUST have stability and reliability for intensive use that you describe — I agree with that philosophy having experienced both VPSs and nowadays a dedicated server. I can only tell you that my experience has been that there is a big difference in reliability and it's like polar opposites, chalk'n'cheese. Why? Sod's Law has a strong tendency to interfere, i.e. those that want most stability on a VPS node will be least likely to get it because their neighbours are running intensive applications too ...

**Mr Tuition** · #13 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 21:42

My applications are not intensive, I just want my fair share that I pay for. Often with the host that I have I cant even get one user on the fourm as the sql is so slow... This is due to other users on the host cloggin up the databse....

I need a way of limiting the number of users (and others ppls databse connections), vps might be a way of doing this

**Mr Tuition** · #14 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 22:57

so are you saying i am no better of on a vps than shared hosting if my neighbours on the vps are doing intensive databse things...

Thats just not fair once again...why pay for something you dont recieve. Its crazy that I should need a dedicated server, when Im only starting up.... I have low requirements, but high expectation when it comes to stability.

Im not going to use a dedicated host from the begining, but if there is no mechanism to limit database conections for each host on the server, then some neghbours will not be granted a fair service. This isnt something I am willing to pay for (at all).

**247h** · #15 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 23:14

There are significant differences between shared hosting plans and VPS plans and the prices reflect that, but at the end of the day they both share resources with others, but in different ways.

As has been pointed out, a VPS is a virtual dedicated server with its own operating system, configured in exactly the way you desire, with you having root access and (almost) total control — a shared hosting plan is nothing like this, as you can't even create reseller accounts on it, for example.

It is difficult to advise you on the best solution when we have no data to work with — you haven't stated the bandwidth you're using; the facilities of the current plan you have; the specification of the server you're on; how many sites it's hosting etc. Even if you told us in detail, the only people here that could make an accurate comparison about shared hosting plans available from eUKhost and how the servers are populated, are the staff members that frequent this forum. It doesn't get any easier with a VPS as only staff can tell you the number of VPS on any particular hardware node — you'd be best asking such questions in a private chat session or by PM with a staff member.

I'm sorry I can't be any more helpful at present (but I did send you a PM) ...

**developmentxl** · #16 (**permalink**) 16-12-2007, 23:17

I'm not sure why you are only concerned with limiting database connections. There are many other factors contributing to server load (and indeed site speed), the number of database connections being only one of these.

I'm afraid at some point you will always be affected by what other people are doing, as is the nature of a network. On a VPS you have a much higher chance of a stable system than on a generic shared (and often oversold - on other hosts) server. You have access to more resources and are guaranteed a set amount of RAM.

I'd say you'd never have any problems with a single site running a phpbb forum. I have happily run 15+ sites on a single VPS. Sure, there are times when server load is slightly higher than normal, but for your purposes I doubt you'd notice.

The advice you're being given here is honest - many hosts will guarantee things they can't deliver.

**eUKhost.com** · #17 (**permalink**) 17-12-2007, 12:09

Roger ( 247h ) had experience with our vps hosting when we were using x3210 CPU's for our nodes but 3 months back we've completely switched to Q6600 CPU's for all new signups. Some old customers have already got their VPS's migrated on the new nodes and we hardly receive any complaints from our customers hosted on new Q6600 nodes.

We have over 100 nodes now so we can never think of 100% uptime for all nodes throughout the year but our VPS hosting service is far better than dedicated hosting of some other hosting companies. If you communicate with vps customers of any US based hosting company then you will figure out how good eUKhost is in comparison with those using low quality hardware.

**247h** · #18 (**permalink**) 17-12-2007, 12:16

Yes I don't dispute any of the above except to say that within this forum are (one or two) reports of sluggish VPS on even the newest nodes!

However, Mr Tuition has yet to tell us just how bad his current hardware is and just how little his bandwidth demands are — from what I saw of his forum at its current location it's probably not going to be a problem hosted here — did you have a look Mark?

Late edit: just had another look — frankly it's not a minnow, more like a stickleback!

**eUKhost.com** · #19 (**permalink**) 17-12-2007, 12:32

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Originally Posted by 247h

Yes I don't dispute any of the above except to say that within this forum are (one or two) reports of sluggish VPS on even the newest nodes!

However, Mr Tuition has yet to tell us just how bad his current hardware is and just how little his bandwidth demands are — from what I saw of his forum at its current location it's probably not going to be a problem hosted here — did you have a look Mark?

Late edit: just had another look — frankly it's not a minnow, more like a stickleback!

As I mentioned in my previous post, we cannot avoid complaints when we host over 1000 VPS customers. Some people have huge expectations from VPS and they think they can run google.com from a VPS and thats next to impossible. Either you limit your traffic and usage or start earning more from the traffic you get to let you lease a dedicated server.

If someone has a huge forum for Charity then its not our job to fund his usage. Customers trying to use more resources will face downtime, but those who get less than 3000 unique visitors per day on a vbulletin forum like this wont face any problem with their VPS.

**Mr Tuition** · #20 (**permalink**) 18-12-2007, 08:31

far less than 3000, my current host gives me trouble with 3. Im most worried about sql querries, as that is where I have have trouble in the past (now with 3 host)

I dont expect by then end of nxt year I will have more than 300 uniqs per day, so I shouldnt have any trouble?

I know vps is probably more expensive than what I need, but I am a little sick of sharing with so many others and getting absolutely nothing for what I pay.

I now need to get my domain name from my current host (and hand it over to a 3rd party to look after my domain name)... It should be that hard should it?