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**flesso** · #1 (**permalink**) 13-09-2008, 15:35

Over the past couple of days, a few juniour Labour MPs have come out to criticise Gordon Brown's leadership and want a contest over it. Now, I certainly think we should be rid of him yet these MPs are now being sacked for being disloyal - at the end of the day we elect MPs to speak on our behalf, and in my opinion that is what these MPs are doing.

So, the question is, do you want rid of Gordon Brown?

Daniel · #2 (**permalink**) 13-09-2008, 15:54

David Cameron should be in there imo.

**flesso** · #3 (**permalink**) 13-09-2008, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Daniel

David Cameron should be in there imo.

I second that.

**Ben** · #4 (**permalink**) 13-09-2008, 18:18

lol. Genuine reasons why Gorden shouldn't lead would be better for a proper debate. Tell me, would David do anything major different to Gorden? They can't get rid of recession, if this is one of the points they were on about but as it goes when one disagrees another goes the same way.

But yes, I'd get rid of Gorden Brown - don't know why but it seems that another prime minster is needed as there are some genuine complaints about the leadership but I have a feeling keeping Gorden as a prime minster isn't the best decision.

**flesso** · #5 (**permalink**) 13-09-2008, 18:29

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Originally Posted by Ben

lol. Genuine reasons why Gorden shouldn't lead would be better for a proper debate. Tell me, would David do anything major different to Gorden? They can't get rid of recession, if this is one of the points they were on about but as it goes when one disagrees another goes the same way.

He sounds like a permenant fog horn.
He made Alistair Darling chancellor (who looks like a muppet).
Got rid of that 10p tax thing.
Loves to tax fuel.
Wasn't elected by the public.
More, more more...

**Ben** · #6 (**permalink**) 13-09-2008, 22:07

"Got rid of that 10p tax thing."
Benefits quite a percentage of people in the UK, you can't benefit all people all the time.
"Wasn't elected by the public."
What are we suppose to do? Have no prime minster for months on end having an election?
"Loves to tax fuel."
Not sure if he is personally responsible for tax increases but yes during economic slow down it isn't helpful. Not a lot of people are suffering because of high petrol prices - its the businesses, that alone results in job losses which IS causing the big problem.

And you're a little young to be worrying about politics, you can't vote in the whole system and a lot in politics and certainly this debate is misconstrued. In other words, we need to see the "bigger picture" to give an unbiased answer

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**WelshTom** · #7 (**permalink**) 15-09-2008, 19:59

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Originally Posted by Ben

"Got rid of that 10p tax thing."
Benefits quite a percentage of people in the UK, you can't benefit all people all the time.
"Wasn't elected by the public."
What are we suppose to do? Have no prime minster for months on end having an election?
"Loves to tax fuel."
Not sure if he is personally responsible for tax increases but yes during economic slow down it isn't helpful. Not a lot of people are suffering because of high petrol prices - its the businesses, that alone results in job losses which IS causing the big problem.

And you're a little young to be worrying about politics, you can't vote in the whole system and a lot in politics and certainly this debate is misconstrued. In other words, we need to see the "bigger picture" to give an unbiased answer

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Definition of every single politician: Full of lies

**Ben** · #8 (**permalink**) 16-09-2008, 10:18

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Originally Posted by WelshTom

Definition of every single politician: Full of lies

lol. I'm sure that wouldn't be there complete intention if they want to stay in power?

**paul** · #9 (**permalink**) 16-09-2008, 11:16

Politician rather than thinking about the next generation, they think about the next election. lol, Also they expect clap for even single line they said...

**Ben** · #10 (**permalink**) 17-09-2008, 10:49

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Originally Posted by paul

Politician rather than thinking about the next generation, they think about the next election. lol, Also they expect clap for even single line they said...

lol. That's so true! What you see is not what you get in politics - but obviously politics is so huge it takes years to ratify even the simplest of things.

**paul** · #11 (**permalink**) 17-09-2008, 14:21

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Originally Posted by Ben

lol. That's so true! What you see is not what you get in politics - but obviously politics is so huge it takes years to ratify even the simplest of things.

Because people can cross overseas for their human right but won't cross the road to cast their vote,

a specific class of people never use their fundamental right for voting, if there would be 100% voting the scenario would be different.

but it will never happen.

**kendalbigson** · #12 (**permalink**) 22-09-2008, 11:49

ehh i'm sick of Gordan.

Kendal Bigson

**DPS Computing** · #13 (**permalink**) 23-09-2008, 22:06

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Originally Posted by flesso

He sounds like a permenant fog horn.
He made Alistair Darling chancellor (who looks like a muppet).
Got rid of that 10p tax thing.
Loves to tax fuel.
Wasn't elected by the public.
More, more more...

To address your points:

1) That may be, but that really isn't relevant to his skills (or lack of) as a politician - thats just something that personally annoys you. Although Tony Blair was considered a good leader his smile often annoyed many people and has been parodied in many comedies on TV.

2) Again, not really related to his political ability. Plus, as chancellor, he hasn't done too badly. Yes, the economy is having a slight downturn - but no chancellor could fix this when every countries economy is going the same way - we're actually riding the waves better than most, if not the best.

3) He also lowered the basic tax rate to 20% (down from 22%). The only people that are affected by the 10p tax rate are workers who work very little and even those affected it is by a small amount of money - a lot more people benefit from the lowering of the basic tax rate!

4) Hasn't every government for as long as cars have existed?

5) Technically you are incorrect.

The Labour government won the election under Tony Blair - not only does that mean that Tony Blair was elected, but the Labour party in general. When Blair was elected PM the order of succession (in case of resignation or incapcity of the PM) was:

1. PM
2. Deputy PM
3. Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Due to the Deputy PM standing down on the same day as the PM (and the Office of the DPM being aboloshed) that made the Chancellor the next in line to the PM. This information was all available to the public when they cast there vote.

To relate to America - when Bill Clinton was in office he was elected on the Clinton / Gore ticket. If Clinton had gone, Gore would have been President. Had Gore also gone it would have gone to the Secretary of State - although not elected on the "ticket" the public knew should both President and Vice President not be able or want to perform their duties then the Secretary of State could assume the Office of the President for the remainder of the term.

6) What more?

I'm not the biggest fan of GB myself - to be honest I want Blair back - but I am a Labour supporter and I will continue to support them as they believe in my core beliefs and don't sway so much with the wind and popular opinion.

As Gordon Brown said "Now is not the time for novices" and whatever you can accuse him of, he has held the 2nd most senior cabinet postion for 10 years and the most senior one for 1 year - so he must be doing something right.