Shooting

[Brian]

Coming from Ireland id never touched a gun till the States 'corrupted' me hehe. Anwho, i hunt small nuisance game such as Prarie Dogs and Jack Rabbits. I got a .22LR to start with. Looking at getting maybe an SKS and a 12 gague during the summer too.

[Eidolon]

I guess it depends what the useage of guns are intended for depends on what you need. The photos remind me a bit of the guns we used to use in scouts, though I think they were air riffles for target shooting. Atleast they weren't missed like one was at a place I did 1 days agency work I personally think that the USA should have similiar rules to the UK which ensures they're kept secure when not needed (etc.), though it's unlikely to happen. Sadly whilst many are responsible there are still too many idiots who are able to obtain (and use) guns.

[paul]

I find people are selling shot gun online, just worried how they overcome the licensing and other legal process dealing with customers from different countries.

[Brian]

It could actually take down an elephant if shot right. Guns are extremely dangerous, especially in the wrong hands.

Usually when people sell guns online they can only be shipped to Firearms dealers. Thats with all guns bought and sold online or being shipped. I can however just buy one from a person that its not shipped.

[DPS Computing]

I love the UK.

A ban on public gun ownership is bliss. No mass murders in schools and shopping centres and the like. Makes me feel a lot safer!

[Brian]

The UK has a hell of alot of shootings for a country that they are banned in. So does Ireland.

[DPS Computing]

Originally Posted by Brian

The UK has a hell of alot of shootings for a country that they are banned in. So does Ireland.

The US has a hell of a lot more though. Plus in the UK there tends not to be mass murders at schools and things like that.

Of course the UK has a fair amount of shooting - we have a completely unarmed police force so the deterant isn't as big in the US where every officer is armed and it is "shoot now, ask questions later"!

[Brian]

Yeah there is more because A) Guns are legal, B) US is a hell of alot bigger.

For such a small country where guns are illegal, the UK has a huge gun problem.

Officers dont shoot unless somebody points something at them And its the same for me, come into my yard / house and dont declare yourself when i say so, you can kiss your time on earth good bye

[DPS Computing]

Originally Posted by Brian

And its the same for me, come into my yard / house and dont declare yourself when i say so, you can kiss your time on earth good bye

Hence more shootings in the US!!

Last time I was in the US the person driving the car I was in was not even allowed to get his driving license out of his pocket because the police seem to trust no one.

I have never agreed with the legalisation en masse allowing everyone in the US to have a gun.

The United States Constitution was seriously scewed in understanding. Where it says "the right to bear arms" I do firmly mean it meant as a country, not every single individual!!

[Brian]

Not every single person can have firearms though, fellons etc.

Well, if someone is breaking onto my property theyre not there to paint myhouse are they ? Thats self defence rather than just a shooting.

[Eidolon]

Try telling that to Norfolk farmer Tony Martin...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/3087003.stm
...probably an unfair example and arguably shows how stupid the law has got when the burglar is able to sue the person whose place he's broken in to.

[Brian]

Over here you give up all rights to your life when you break into someones house.

[DPS Computing]

United Nations Declaration of Human Rights

Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

....

Article 11.
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.

The US and its citizens are bound by it (and Tony Martin over here from the UK is a good example of why you just cant shoot people!). Although I agree with you, technically its a breach of human rights for you to act as judge, jury and executioner and you have no right to use unreasonable force against anyone.

Justifiable homicide is only "justifiable" when you can prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that you exhausted all other avenues including negotiation and less than lethal force.

Sorry, but I have been brought up this way - life is sacred and no one, but no one has the right to take it away (bar law enforcement personell that are either protecting themselves, the public or upholding the law or an individual whose life or limb is in serious peril by the actions of the perpetrator).

And for the record, I don't count "death sentences" and the like as justifiable!! I just know the death penalty will come up sometime in this thread so to save you asking ive made my position clear . Rotting in prison for the rest of your life is far more painful!

[Brian]

Life is sacred youre right. But when someone breaks into your house theyre not there to say hello. And they do bring weapons with them too. And theyre certainly not going to try and trade it with me if you know what I mean.

[DPS Computing]

Originally Posted by Brian

Life is sacred youre right. But when someone breaks into your house theyre not there to say hello. And they do bring weapons with them too. And theyre certainly not going to try and trade it with me if you know what I mean.

I can see your point and I do agree. Its a fine line to judge.

In an ideal world we can all give up every gun .

[Brian]

Wouldnt be an ideal world, how would i hunt ? hehe

[DPS Computing]

Originally Posted by Brian

Wouldnt be an ideal world, how would i hunt ? hehe

OK, let me rephrase. A guarentee that guns wouldn't be used illegally. But then again, thats the beauty of the world, you can never guarentee something like that!

[Brian]

Yah. I was chosen for dury duty (found not suitable i might add!) for a guy that stabbed his dad and mam to death with a fork. Maddness!