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13-11-2008, 22:51
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of course lol
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Good good  .
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And then not cry too much when you realise the impossibility of such a task  . |
14-11-2008, 05:15
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Good good .
And then not cry too much when you realise the impossibility of such a task . |
That is exactly why alcohol will become your best friend. |
14-11-2008, 11:06
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Originally Posted by tracdoor
I know how many people still use IE, especially IE6, but today I refused any page loads coming from an Internet Explorer browser, I'm sick and tired of making different CSS layouts for it.
I don't care if it will lose me customers, but I've spent too long catering for people who don't know what a browser is (IE6 users) and people who can't be bothered to get a browser that works.
Can somone confirm whether IE8 follows in the path of its predecesors in being unable to render web pages and putting two fingers up at the W3 guidelines? Or does that need to be added to be blacklisted also?
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I feel your pain, but for the time being it looks like IE6 is still going strong.
I guess it depends what your business is, if your customers are tech / web savvy, they will probably know what a good browser is. In that case you could drop IE6 and probably get away with it. But in most situations, people either don't know / care what browser they are using, they just want to surf the net. not everyone is bang up to date with web technology.
I don't see how you would have to make a different CSS layout for IE6, maybe a few tweaks but a whole new layout? you're doing something wrong. I've coded my own CSS layout I use for sites and it just works, no hacks so far!
The bottom line is, not supporting it to some degree is just lazy. As much as I hate having to fix CSS issues in IE6, I still do it because I know thats what most people are using. You don't want to turn down potential customers just because of there browser, they probably don't know better.
Maybe you could have some conditional code for IE6 users to encourage them to download firefox?
And IE8 has passed ACID2 test (or whatever its called). M$ are getting there eventually...
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14-11-2008, 17:01
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Microsoft never followed web standards and kept IE up to date for web developers, I think same will go to IE 8. I just dream of the day when everyone is using Firefox. . 
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14-11-2008, 17:06
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you're totally misconstruing the law . |
14-11-2008, 17:09
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Microsoft never followed web standards and kept IE up to date for web developers, I think same will go to IE 8. I just dream of the day when everyone is using Firefox. . |
I think IE6 is the real problem. I don't find IE7 so bad to work with. IE6 users will die out eventually... I hope! |
14-11-2008, 22:25
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I think you are wrong - but I understand your pain.
A lot depends on if explorer is in standards mode or "quirks" mode. They've gone to a lot of effort to make it more standards compliant without breaking old sites that rely on the old non standard behaviour.
use xhtml and place this magic incantation at the top of your pages -it can save you a lot of grief:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
It won't fix all differences between browsers but it fixes most of the box model problems and I've had a lot less headaches since switching to xhtml.
None of the currently available browsers are completely free from annoyances and non standard/missing features - for example when is FireFox finally going to get "display:inline-block;" ? and will the iPhone ever get a file upload control?
If I have one golden rule for web design it's this - If you can't do something without jumping through hoops and writing tons of CSS and Javascript hacks then give it up as a bad job and move on
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15-11-2008, 12:11
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15-11-2008, 19:01
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That is exactly why alcohol will become your best friend.
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Haha, thats just the excuse I was looking for!
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Thanks for the link. Good read . |
17-11-2008, 09:50
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Great link, I completely agree with the point about print designers doing web design... They shouldn't!
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17-11-2008, 10:57
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17-11-2008, 11:17
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I especially liked the "Adobe don't make everything on their site Flash and their the developers so why do you?" point - very very very true!
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23-11-2008, 14:17
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At school we have IE6. Very annoying when designing pages, as I have to continually make it compatible with it.
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24-11-2008, 09:03
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At school we have IE6. Very annoying when designing pages, as I have to continually make it compatible with it.
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Does this school have an IT department? Have they not heard of updates? Especially security updates!
If so, I would recommend the head of the IT Support Dept to get the chop and be replaced with someone who knows how to update Windows . |
24-11-2008, 20:30
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We can't even do that. We can't run any programs that aren't in the All Programs menu. We can't use the Run command to launch any manually. Heck, we can't even save files on our own desktops lol! I'm serious here.
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Does this school have an IT department? Have they not heard of updates? Especially security updates!
If so, I would recommend the head of the IT Support Dept to get the chop and be replaced with someone who knows how to update Windows . |
We do have a rather large IT department. Still, it's not as easy as that I suppose.
IE7 is what could be considered as a "dramatic change" from IE6. I mean the appearance, it's just slightly different. Perhaps there are some complications they might have with updating it, I am not sure. It is probably because the teachers do not know how to use IE7 or greater.
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