The best CMS

**faceh** · #1 (**permalink**) 05-12-2005, 00:46

The best CMS

im looking at CMS's (content management systems) to update my website hosting. The last CMS i used was Nucleus, but that was a good few years ago, and im wondering if theres anyone who can recommend a good CMS?

im currently playing with the newest version of nucleus, and having a look at Mambo Web Hosting. any suggestions would be great.

**Eskew** · #2 (**permalink**) 05-12-2005, 08:46

Theres always PHP Nuke and e107. Also im currently trying my hand at creating my own CMS. Should be fun.

**Ryan** · #3 (**permalink**) 05-12-2005, 09:49

There are quite a few like Xoops, e107, Drupal, ezPortal, Subdreamer.

**eUK-Martin** · #4 (**permalink**) 05-12-2005, 11:11

IMO, typo3 and e107 are nice CMS portals available. You should also go through this link...
www. opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=388&Itemid=143
I think it will help you to take decision for choosing CMS portals.

**paul** · #5 (**permalink**) 05-12-2005, 17:15

euk-martin thanks for the link

its really much comprehensive. IMO e107 is pretty nice for corporate website hosting.

**faceh** · #6 (**permalink**) 06-12-2005, 06:52

hey, yer having checked them all out - it seems the better/more complex a CMS is - the less useful it is for me and the less customizable it is...

i think i might just stick with the simple blogging news style CMS's and add any PHP bits i need to by myself.

one thing im going to be needing is multiple language (japanese and english) - and ive been looking at "b2evolution" - anyone tried it?

ps. will try that cms link now.

**MRGTB** · #7 (**permalink**) 07-12-2005, 09:09

Quite a lot depends on how much you want the CMS to do, do you just want a CMS that can grab posts from the forum board and display them along with some modules to displays stuff like member stats etc

Or do you want a fully blown CMS that lets you create articles and a lot more?

Anyway I run a CMS with my board here that you can take a look at

www. garybolton.co.uk/vb/homepage.php

**winggeek** · #8 (**permalink**) 07-05-2006, 06:10

gb , your website hosting is down man.

**Geek** · #9 (**permalink**) 26-12-2006, 22:04

I am looking for some serious suggestion on Joomla Web hosting and Mambo. I am totally confused and not sure which one would be good to get started as both seem to have some good and bad reviews.

Some people say that the both are insecure but easy to manage so what problems will it make if I choose any one of those ?

I need some serious help from senior webmasters in this forum.

**netequette** · #10 (**permalink**) 27-12-2006, 22:08

The problem I find with many of these open source cms systems is the constant need to upgrade due to security issues or bugs.

You need to keep on top of the upgrades and fixes or find your website hosting will become a target. The upgrades are usually straight forward but are time consuming and thats if you have not added any plug ins or extras, modified a theme or bridged it with gallery software. If you have added things yourself or modified anything to make it that little bit extra fancy then you often need to re do all that work once you have upgraded to the next version.

If your like me and like to design a website hosting so it stands out and doesn't look like all the others I would honestly suggest you stay away from these types of CMS packages. In my experience its just not worth the time investment.

My 2cents worth of opinion

**Chris** · #11 (**permalink**) 28-12-2006, 22:57

That's similar to what I've heard from someone else - but what is the alternative? Are there other more secure tools that allow the creation of the cms elements - or are you talking about creating a bespoke system - that's a lot of hard work and beyond the scope of most of us??

**eukhost-reviews** · #12 (**permalink**) 29-12-2006, 13:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geek

I am looking for some serious suggestion on Joomla and Mambo. I am totally confused and not sure which one would be good to get started as both seem to have some good and bad reviews.

Some people say that the both are insecure but easy to manage so what problems will it make if I choose any one of those ?

I need some serious help from senior webmasters in this forum.

Joomla and Mambo are widely used CMS . You can manage them easily. But they have few security flaws due to nobody and 777 permissions to directories. You need patch or upgrade at proper time for that .

**eUKhost.com** · #13 (**permalink**) 29-12-2006, 13:19

Security issues that are left with this content management softwares are due to the permission and ownership of files and folders created by the CMS itself.

We have managed to implement a solution for this problem and none of our existing customers have complained about any injection or hacking attempt in last 1 year. If you manage to keep kernel version updated, custom rules in mod_security, custom configuration in php.ini and secure /tmp on the server then you will never face problem with this CMS no matter if you use 2 year old version.

We have n number of customers who have not upgraded their blogs, CMS or phpbb forums for more than 1 year and they have faced no problems till now. No one will upgrade untill and unless they face some other problem but that may occur only if we decide to upgrade php version on respective servers.

Some CMS have been designed to work with php4 only so they wont work on php5. If you wish to use them on php5 then you need to upgrade or install latest version of that CMS.

php6 and php 7 will bring some more changes so there is no alternative to upgrades. Only thing that would give some comfort to you is the security holes discussed by others. You wont have any security threat to your CMS on our servers.

**Chris** · #14 (**permalink**) 02-01-2007, 13:03

Mark,

Can you just clarify which CMS you are describing in your last mail please?

regards
Chris.

**eUKhost.com** · #15 (**permalink**) 02-01-2007, 14:44

I quoted on what was mentioned by eukhost-reviews. He had mentioned that Joomla and Mambo have problems due to permission and ownership on self created pages of this CMS and we have managed to implement necessary settings in mod_security, pre.php, php.ini and httpd.conf to get rid of this problems.

**eukhost-reviews** · #16 (**permalink**) 02-01-2007, 20:08

So none of the account get hacked due to insecure permissions / ownership of Mambo / joomla on servers now?

**eUKhost.com** · #17 (**permalink**) 02-01-2007, 21:03

Right.

People who try to inject or hack CMS installations do it through browser. They don't get inside the server to deploy their skills.

One can stop this things from happening if you know what exactly should be stopped from being executed from browser. They use wget, popen, chmod, chown, execute functions to execute their injection code through browsers.

If you disable this functions and setup rules in mod_security to disallow any command to be executed from browser which tries to execute injection parameters then you are safe.

No matter how old the version of Joomla / Mambo is but the kids will always get frustrated in case of your website hosting

**jezza101** · #18 (**permalink**) 16-01-2007, 14:17

I use and create custom code for e107.

These applications are reasonably secure, remember they are collaborations between a number of developers many of whom will be security conscious. Sure no app may be perfect and if a top hacker decides to target YOUR website hosting (why would they?) they probably can find a way in. However, most of these things are pretty safe from script kiddies, and probably a damn sight safer than any custom code an amateur like you or I might throw together - surely?! Or if you are a security expert, the code is open source so feel free to review it

!

The golden rule is to never trust any user input, some careful use of functions such as preg_replace can help validate any user entry, encode html entities, SQL Server Injection, XSS attacks, etc - we know what to look for! The bonus of using e107 is that it has it's own custom parser which handles these for you, with a wide user base any flaws in the logic are quickly picked up and updates released.

However most of these products are fairly mature now, so real need to worry!

Yes, if you use an out of the box e107 installation you may find your website hosting lokos a bit like everyone elses. But it is easy to create a custom theme and a unique look for your website hosting, theming in e107 is very flexible, its not just about changing the colours, its about creating any style you wish. Perhaps this was a problem with old CMS systems but things have evolved a long way I guess. It can be tough to identify the CMS running a well themed website hosting on looks alone. Creating your own theme takes some time over using an out of the box one, but no harder than designing a website hosting from scratch!

With custom code (plugins) being created all the time and the abilty to create code of your own at will, you are not limited in any way, however it does provide a load of core features that would be silly to code yourself!

Which one you use is up to you, I trialled a few, e107 stood out to me, but others will certainly disagree. Joomla is getting good press right now (I didnt find it so easy to use). They only take mins to install and setup, so give a few a go.

Cheers, and GL!

**Geek** · #19 (**permalink**) 19-01-2007, 13:17

Which one is more secure from Joomla and Mambo ?

I've tried both and both seem to be quite good. I am also trying some other CMS listed in Fantastico.

**eUKhost.com** · #20 (**permalink**) 20-01-2007, 12:04

Earlier we use to have customers complaining about injection in their Joomla CMS but mambo complaints were less in comparison. Now I don't think there's any problem with both the CMS as we have all security rules in place on our linux servers to frustrate kids looking to inject website hostings.