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Old 11-05-2007, 01:28
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Thumbs up Whats Your Opinion About Dotworlds Domain Names

Dotworlds domain for me is a new generation, it means it can use any extensions you want such as www.*****.cat You notice that the extension is cat and thats possible however, i think they are not certified or rather dot worlds are not certified by icaan. you can get also an email address like *****@cat.pet


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Old 11-05-2007, 10:23
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I'm having a play with it - it looks like a novelty really. At the moment you need to install a browser-plugin to view the 'special' domain too, so that seems a bit useless until the plugin comes as standard with browsers.

Apparently you don;t need the plugin to use the email facility so that might be useful - or fun at least - although I still can't get mine to send without a failure notice. I'll give it a couple of days and see if it needs to propagate.

Looks interesting though.
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Old 11-05-2007, 12:01
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esnail, you're absolutely right: it has novelty value only, as it uses proprietary software to 'create' the 'domain'. It's been tried before, although not so slickly.

There's no commercial value in it, but I can see how it would appeal to communities. By all means, people should have fun getting some great highly personal or amusing 'domains' but as a business proposition, you'd be crazy to waste time registering names.

Plus, I'd be wary of just what the plug-in does on your computer.

I know this post is going to generate loads of "Yeah but it might work and it's free so I'm stocking up just in case" posts and I look forward to shooting down all the arguments in flames. Go ahead, punks: make my day.
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...WHATS YOUR OPINION
Hmmm, another free lunch or what?!

You didn't give the domain or link to: dotWORLDS website, so that's now resolved (no pun intended)!

Because of my opening statement of "where's the catch?" I had a look at their Terms & Conditions and was drawn to Sections 5 & 6 regarding Payment and Renewals. Considering everything on the website appears to be free, the cynic in me is alarmed to read things like:
5.2. The Customer shall pay the Fees to the Company in the manner and at the times indicated by the Company to the Customer from time to time.
...and:
5.3. The Company reserves the right to increase the Fees at any time on giving not less than 7 days notice to the Customer.
...and:
6.1. The Customer shall pay the Fees in respect to the renewal to the Company on or before the Renewal Date in respect of all domains.
...and in the FAQ:
9 - How much will it cost to renew my domain name or email address?
The prices for domain names and email address are given on the dotWORLDS website.

Hah! No prices anywhere ... yet!
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247h, that's well spotted and very true but that's not really my problem with the domains.

After all, dotworlds is a commercial venture and giving away something for free -even if only for a limited period of time- is a legitimate tactic a company uses to increase customer membership/product exposure. In this case, the product is free until such a time that the owners feel it commercially viable to charge for the domains: the expectation is that so many people pile into dotworlds that the free domain names become too precious to give up and people are therefore obliged to renew after say, a year, for a realworld chargeable fee.

There's nothing wrong with this marketing tactic - except that in this case, I anticipate that the domains will never be worth purchasing and that if they do start to charge, it will only be when the venture is doomed. Then, they'll look to recoup at least some of the costs from their existing embers who are either too stupid to realise the lack of commercial viability...or those who, through hours of effort designing a website (that's why they make it free to design) hand over the dosh because of their sentimental attachment.

But 247h, it's a good point that their tactic appears rather sneaky and I think it's a good approach to be cynical.
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hello. I agree with the above but it seems just fun to use these domain names and emails. - ie here are names and addresses you can use that are easy to remember (instead of the usual anonymous stuff. Anyway, I have other "normal" ICANN domains/email addreseses etc if they begin to charge I dont need to use them anymore. Personally I think dotworlds will remain free as all the big boys made their money recently on large memberships in exchange for freebees (myspace and others). At the mo it all seems to work well.

Also have you seen they offer some of the same free stuff as others organisations (eg free backup storage/free hosting/free web builders) so I think membership is their game. Plus I also put my name down to beta test the multivideo conference IM that is supposed to be coming out soon (also supposed to be free).

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I've now had a play with it - but i still feel its a waste of time so long as users wishing to access the website need to install software to do so. Also, they cannot email to the address created in the normal manner. I was able to send emails with my lovely new name from the dotWorlds control panel - but then you can do that with any email client - invent a name and insert it into the 'from' field etc. But you cannot reply to this email as it returns a failure to deliver notice.
Its not much use for a serious website - I see it useful for kids or similarly closed social group who will all download the software.
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I typed 'dotsworld' into Google and the first result I got was...
"Don't Use Dotsworld Domains..." http://www.trap17.com/forums/dont-us...ns-t44106.html

According to an email received by an admin on http://www.yahoofanclub.com/post-1774.html
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Dear Sir

Thank you very much for your email and for your interest in dotWORLDS.

There are no plans to introduce charges for domain names in the near future, however, should the situation change, it is anticipated that costs will be similar, or less than current market values, at approximately the $10 level. Of course, should the situation remain as it is, you would be able to renew all domains without cost. In any event, the decision to renew would be yours and yours alone.

Please do not hesitate to contact us should you require any further information.

Once again, thank you for your interest in dotWORLDS (especially from the Administrator of the yahoofanclub.com) and for taking the time to write to us.

Kind regards

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There is absolutely no commercial benefit of such thing of individuals, merely novelty.
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From what I have read it seems to be more of an illusion than anything else or a trick. So yes, if this is true, the commercial value is exactly £0
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Yeah, some good builds on what has been written by people, though it's a shame that noone wants to argue the toss with me and say that this is their road to fortune...

I certainly don't think 'it's a trick' either and I can see how it may be commercially viable through just gaining membership (online advertising/mailing lists etc). I'm still not happy about this plug-in though. And I'm certain that for anyone who isn't obtaining names for personal use, it's a waste of time.
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Yeah, some good builds on what has been written by people, though it's a shame that noone wants to argue the toss with me and say that this is their road to fortune...

I certainly don't think 'it's a trick' either and I can see how it may be commercially viable through just gaining membership (online advertising/mailing lists etc). I'm still not happy about this plug-in though. And I'm certain that for anyone who isn't obtaining names for personal use, it's a waste of time.
Yes, I agree, I mean its got advertising on this forum just by us discussing it so if its going to create discussion and spread in popularity by word of mouth they could make quite a bit of money off of advertising and the such.

Only time will tell how commercially successful it is going to be.
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I typed 'dotsworld' into Google and the first result I got was...
"Don't Use Dotsworld Domains..." http://www.trap17.com/forums/dont-us...ns-t44106.html

According to an email received by an admin on http://www.yahoofanclub.com/post-1774.html


There is absolutely no commercial benefit of such thing of individuals, merely novelty.
oh look what press release I found on google search engine. gotta give google credit for publishing it (or maybe they just have noto seen it) may need stiff drinky or 6. bit long tho! links to http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsSt...t=Default.aspx


Why Does Google Publish Libel?


"At a time when Google proposes to amass ever more sensitive and personal information on Internet users worldwide, Google's lack of responsibility in actively distributing unsupported libel has given many, real cause for concern. It is the unique status of libel law in America that allows Google immunity from prosecution from anything they publish on www.google.com. And yes, that includes anything they'd like to publish about you" claims Brian Retkin Director dotWORLDS.
London, England 5/31/2007 6:24 AM GMT (TransWorldNews - Top Story)
By allowing defamation, libel and character assassination to be posted on their Search Engine by the unverified, the alias and the anonymous, Google undermines and threatens individuals and corporations alike” says Retkin “Alarmingly, Google operates such a policy without fear of accountability, responsibility or compensation for any unjustified degradation suffered by individuals or for the potentially huge costs incurred by businesses supplying bona fida goods and services to the economy”.

“Google’s complete lack of care in this field is certainly not reflected in their own ambition as they adapt their Search Engine results to accommodate their own sensitivities” says Retkin “In facilitating their growth globally, Google often filters offensive material when catering to new markets with tighter controls. Unfortunately for almost everyone else, or at least those without a few million dollars in the bank to fight back, should Google distribute unsubstantiated and damaging libel about you, there's little that you can do about it – at least not for a few years as that’s how long they keep their information current”.



Is this the same Google that's now begging for even more personal information about you, your family, your lifestyle and any other sensitive data you might care provide? “Well, yes it is” says Retkin “Today, Google needs you. Google needs you for their databases, for their marketing projects and for umpteen other schemes under development. On this subject at least, Google can't wait to help you out. The questions that arise are whether or not Google can be trusted to use the information responsibly and whether, on past performance, their proposals should even be considered?”



Why has this been such a worry to so many? “In our case and for some time” say Retkin, our company dotWORLDS has been trying to persuade Google to remove numerous grossly libellous articles published on their Search Engine. Google's initial response was that they had no responsibility for any content displayed on their websites and that complaints should be directed to the author. However, as these articles were written and posted anonymously (an option available to anyone with even the most basic knowledge of the Internet) there was no way of tracing the culprit(s) even though we were fairly certain it came from one or more of our competitors.”



dotWORLDS feel that these libellous postings would probably never have been seen but for the Search Engine, as they believe that the attacks on them are all but indistinguishable from so many other unsubstantiated and obscure grudge web pages on the net. “Rather” say dotWORLDS “it is Google's web-crawl system that allows for just about anything, no matter how inaccurate, spurious, nonsensical or even illegal to be gathered unscreened, recorded, indexed and ranked, later to be disseminated at Google’s inclination to millions Internet users across the world”



There are rulings that Google can rely on in cases such as dotWORLDS and they are the same rulings that would probably govern the use of your private information should Google get hold of it. For example:



1) Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (USA), 1996....
This Act specifically states that "no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker." That legalese means that, unlike print and broadcast companies, online service providers cannot be sued for disseminating defamatory attacks on citizens posted by others.



2) Excerpt from BBC report from November 2006 entitled "Bloggers and US internet providers cannot be liable for posting defamatory comments written by third parties, the California Supreme Court has ruled" .......Overturning a decision by the San Francisco appeal court, the court ruled that people claiming they were defamed online could now only seek damages from the original author of the comments - and not the website which re-posted it. The court ruled that that Internet Service Providers were protected by US Federal law that said providers of chat rooms or news groups are not considered the publishers of information furnished by others. "The prospect of blanket immunity for those who intentionally redistribute defamatory statements on the Internet has disturbing implications," said Associate Justice Carol A. Corrigan.



Still, it’s not all bad news. Using legal argument, dotWORLDS estimate that they have forced Google to remove over 1500 libellous links from Google’s websites worldwide (eg: google.co.uk, google.fr etc) – with the notable exception of Google’s American website www.google.com. Even so, dotWORLDS are convinced that despite the differing libel laws, they’re moving closer to fulfilling even that challenge. More recently dotWORLDS claim they discovered that Google had begun re-publishing libel in the UK, that under threat of court action from dotWORLDS, Google had agreed to withdraw. “We believe that Google have now committed a serious offence under English law” say dotWORLDS



Search for dotWORLDS on Google's UK website (www.google.co.uk) and dotWORLDS claim you won’t find much of the libel remaining. DotWORLDS say it was a very different story not so long ago although much has been achieved since then. What you will find instead are a number of legal notices at the bottom of the search pages to the effect "In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 3 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read more about the request at ChillingEffects.org".



Whilst this is a victory for dotWORLDS, it is by no means a total victory. Make exactly the same dotWORLDS search on Google's USA website (www.google.com) and included on the information displayed you will see the libel that Google has deleted on its other websites. Even more disappointing for dotWORLDS is that there is little or no mention of the Google/dotWORLDS dispute “Where is the balance?” says Retkin “We haven’t seen dotWORLDS legal requests to Google, nor any of Google’s deletions notices that have been posted on Google’s other websites. We haven’t even see the hyperlinks to information on the deletions dotWORLDS forced Google to make. This alone should be of great concern to anyone relying on Google’s information as truth (although why shouldn’t they). In the case of dotWORLDS, not only is Google potentially misinforming their American users but they are also putting them at risk of immediate legal action should they repeat the libel publicly. In a lengthy and expensive hearing, the plea ‘I saw it on Google’ is not a defense. It is only Google that has protection”.



Whether or not Google wish to remove libellous content on their USA website, having already made a judgement call to delete it in the UK, should the same information on the Google/dotWORLDS dispute be displayed on Google USA. “Yes” say dotWORLDS “by refusing to publish crucial information on their own home ground in the same way, Google's claim that they are not the arbiter of the Internet becomes spurious. Have Google intentionally censured their own content and if so, what is the reason? Coming directly from Google office, this information on the dispute should be the first thing displayed. However, on Google’s USA, website the information it doesn’t even seem to exist - at least not where it’s supposed to“.



Google for us was about relevancy, accuracy and quality, say dotWORLDS “but out of approximately 8 billion results currently available, suddenly somehow more than 1 billion are related to Google. Can there really be 1 billion interesting, relevant and/or different things to say about them? Perhaps the quest is now for quantity whatever the cost? Perhaps Google believe that the Search Engine with the most web pages can triumph over all others. Perhaps this has become a race to an indeterminate finish line. If this is so, perhaps this is the answer to the question: Why does Google publish libel? Perhaps it’s just because Google can“.
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Hmmmm... sounds like someone is bitter! Thanks for the press release department5 .
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