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[DPS Computing]

Originally Posted by myx

Oh dear, someone is getting a bit confused here!
Firstly there are millions of cars out there which can function perfectly well without the aid of any computer of any description- I personally own two which fall into this category, one is a 1970 Jaguar E Type, which amazingly hasn't blown up after 4 seconds of travel, in fact it's actually travelled about 17000 miles without a single explosion! This car uses an electrical fuel pump (no ecu), and has 3 2" SU carburettors, which operate totally without any electrical input. The ignition is controlled by an ignition coil, contact breaker points, and a condenser, which all contrive to make a spark at the correct time at the spark plug, which is conveniently sited in order to ignite the compressed fuel/air mixture and provide controlled burning, and to push the pistons down one by one (firing order is 1,5,3,6,2,4 if you're interested).

NO ECUs/ Computers involved in any form whatsoever!

OK then, sorry was just following the DVLAs official information which states for a car to be insurable and used within this country it must have:

Emissions System: Including Catalytic converter, Air Pump, Oxygen Sensor, Computer & PCV Valve

And I have a four wheel car which doesn't require a computer either - it has pedals .

PS: Not really an expert on old cars but when looking up several listing for a 1970 Jaguar e-type I have found electrics mentioned quite often. For example:

Jaguar E Type S2 4.2 - 1970 (H)

Manufactured and first registered in April 1970, this lovely series 2 'E' Type is finished in Signal Red with Black leather upholstery, black carpets, original wooden Steering Wheel, original matching numbers car, 4.2 litre straight six Engine, 4 Speed gearbox, electronic ignition, Stainless steel exhaust, up-rated front brakes and Chrome Wire Wheels.

Plus if I must extend the point further - to which the original point that our driving of cars (among other things) would be affected by the lack of computers - you would have no petrol for your car as the pumps wouldn't be delivering it through the nozzle into your car without a pump, the cashier wouldn't be able to take the money even if you managed to get said petrol as their till wouldn't be working, you wouldn't be inflating the tires of said car using the nice electronic computerised air pump and you wouldn't be safe to drive around even if you managed to overcome all the previous as there would be no traffic lights or traffic control systems that would be operational .

[myx]

Seriously DPS-Computing, are you for real?

An 'electronic ignition system' is NOT a computer, in the same way that a lightbulb is NOT a computer, it just requires an electric current to operate.

Just a quick example of a computer in 1970 by the way;
try fitting that in an e-type footwell!

You seem to be mixing up essential uses for a computer and reliance on computer based technology in the 21st century, people in 'less developed' countries still manage perfectly well, purchasing fuel whilst not being on the credit-card network, paying with cash, and getting a liquid out of a tank does not require a computer, neither does putting air into a tyre (you can use a foot (or even hand) operated pump).

Yes, in order to get fuel from a petrol station in the UK I might have to use a computer somewhere along the way, but it is not strictly required for any of this stuff, it just assists us.

So er, the scenario is "COMPUTERS HAVE DISAPPEARED", I'm sure we'd manage some how, even if it means having to count the change ourselves and, God forbid, not use a till but rather have a metal box that's operated using a key.

Emissions System: Including Catalytic converter, Air Pump, Oxygen Sensor, Computer & PCV Valve

For cars built after a certain date/being manufactured today, in the same way that I can drive a 1999 4.0 litre v8 Land Rover into London today and pay the 6 quid charge rather than the 25 one.

Looking at this post again I'm starting to think this could be a wind up, in which case well done as you've got me.

[DPS Computing]

Originally Posted by myx

Seriously DPS-Computing, are you for real?

An 'electronic ignition system' is NOT a computer, in the same way that a lightbulb is NOT a computer, it just requires an electric current to operate.

Just a quick example of a computer in 1970 by the way;
try fitting that in an e-type footwell!

You seem to be mixing up essential uses for a computer and reliance on computer based technology in the 21st century, people in 'less developed' countries still manage perfectly well, purchasing fuel whilst not being on the credit-card network, paying with cash, and getting a liquid out of a tank does not require a computer, neither does putting air into a tyre (you can use a foot (or even hand) operated pump).

Yes, in order to get fuel from a petrol station in the UK I might have to use a computer somewhere along the way, but it is not strictly required for any of this stuff, it just assists us.

So er, the scenario is "COMPUTERS HAVE DISAPPEARED", I'm sure we'd manage some how, even if it means having to count the change ourselves and, God forbid, not use a till but rather have a metal box that's operated using a key.



For cars built after a certain date/being manufactured today, in the same way that I can drive a 1999 4.0 litre v8 Land Rover into London today and pay the 6 quid charge rather than the 25 one.

Looking at this post again I'm starting to think this could be a wind up, in which case well done as you've got me.

The original point was based on what we would do in this country, at this time without computers.

Yes there are always alternatives but the fact is as we don't need them in this country they don't exist in such amounts that they could be used as an alternative immidiately.

Yes, if you want to be picky, there are alternatives, but the fact is how are you planning to replace every car in the country that does have a computer operated system within any kind of reasonable time frame, bearing in mind that everything has to be done manually.

And lastly, sorry, I misread your post I thought you also said it had no electronics in and not just a computer.