Separate IP for shared hosting?

[OneApplications]

Hi all!

I've recently signed up for a Linux VPS Hosting and am just in the process of getting that all set up correctly. I was originally using a shared hosting plan with another company on a US server. This was quite slow most of the time and I had no end of problems sending emails to customers.

Now that I have a unique IP and RDNS in place I'm hoping for much better success with the email side of things. I've also just registered for MS's SenderID so hopefull this will get my mails into Hotmail customer's inboxes!! I send out software registration keys via email so having a reliable server from which to send these was my number one goal in setting up the VPS Hosting with eUK.

Anyway, I'm now thinking about providing some shared hosting to some of my customers and was wondering the best way to go about this. My first thought is to get a third IP for my Dedicated Server and host all of the shared sites from this IP. This way my "main domain" is kept completely separate and if any of the other sites end up on email blacklists etc it won't effect my website hosting.

Does this sound like the best way to go? I also have my own nameservers setup so the new IPs would be as follows:-

IP1 > ns1 & primary hosting for my website hosting
IP2 > ns2
IP3 > shared hosting.

Having said that would it be possible to simply put all the shared hosting on the second IP with ns2?

I'm very new to this as I'm sure you can tell so any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers!

Chris.

[eUK-Nick]

Originally Posted by OneApplications

Hi all!

I've recently signed up for a Linux VPS Hosting and am just in the process of getting that all set up correctly. I was originally using a shared hosting plan with another company on a US server. This was quite slow most of the time and I had no end of problems sending emails to customers.

Now that I have a unique IP and RDNS in place I'm hoping for much better success with the email side of things. I've also just registered for MS's SenderID so hopefull this will get my mails into Hotmail customer's inboxes!! I send out software registration keys via email so having a reliable server from which to send these was my number one goal in setting up the VPS Hosting with eUK.

Anyway, I'm now thinking about providing some shared hosting to some of my customers and was wondering the best way to go about this. My first thought is to get a third IP for my Dedicated Server and host all of the shared sites from this IP. This way my "main domain" is kept completely separate and if any of the other sites end up on email blacklists etc it won't effect my website hosting.

Does this sound like the best way to go? I also have my own nameservers setup so the new IPs would be as follows:-

IP1 > ns1 & primary hosting for my website hosting
IP2 > ns2
IP3 > shared hosting.

Having said that would it be possible to simply put all the shared hosting on the second IP with ns2?

I'm very new to this as I'm sure you can tell so any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers!

Chris.

Hello Chris,

You can create all your other "shared customers" domains on the third IP. That would indeed keep your main domain and the other domains separately. You should have got your private DNS along with your welcome email. You may use them. I would suggest not to create other domains on the NS IP's.

[OneApplications]

Thanks Nick.

When you say "you should have got your private DNS with your welcome email" what exactly do you mean by that? There was a bit of a "cock up" so to speak with my original welcome email (it was a windows one instead of Linux) so I'm not too sure I got any DNS info.

Like I said before I have set up my own nameservers using the two IPs I was given (ns1.oneapplications.co.uk & ns2.oneapplications.co.uk) I have registered these at 123-reg and all seems to be well. A DNS check shows these to be my current nameservers.

Lets say for example I now get a third IP and setup a domain on that IP. Can I not use the ns1.oneapplications.co.uk & ns2.oneapplications.co.uk nameservers for this domain also?

I'm determined to understand DNS one day!!

Cheers,

Chris.

[eUK-Nick]

Originally Posted by OneApplications

Thanks Nick.

. . . Lets say for example I now get a third IP and setup a domain on that IP. Can I not use the ns1.oneapplications.co.uk & ns2.oneapplications.co.uk nameservers for this domain also?

I'm determined to understand DNS one day!!

Cheers,

Chris.

Yes, you can use these for the domains which you would create on your VPS Hosting. That should not be a problem.

[OneApplications]

Ok I think that's the way I'll go. Just need to get the thrid IP ordered now.

One thing I'm not too sure about is this...

With my ns1 and ns2 nameservers. How exactly do I setup these servers to say "shareddomain1.co.uk = IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx". I know in Plesk I have the DNS records for my primary domain (oneapplications.co.uk) set to point ns1 and ns2 to their respective IP addresses as follows...

ns1.oneapplications A xxx.xxx.xxx.xx0
ns2.oneapplications A xxx.xxx.xxx.xx1

and I also have NS records set to indicate that oneapplications.co.uk uses ns1.oneapplications.co.uk and ns2.oneapplications.co.uk as it's nameservers...

oneapplications.co.uk NS ns1.oneapplications.co.uk
oneapplications.co.uk NS ns2.oneapplications.co.uk

If an internet DNS server queries either ns1 or ns2 do they end up looking at this set of DNS records also? My primary domain is only setup on the first IP (the one that ns1 is using) so if a DNS request is made to ns2 (which has it's own separate IP) which DNS records does ns2 actually use?

Cheers,

Chris.

[eUK-Nick]

Originally Posted by OneApplications

Ok I think that's the way I'll go. Just need to get the thrid IP ordered now.

One thing I'm not too sure about is this...

With my ns1 and ns2 nameservers. How exactly do I setup these servers to say "shareddomain1.co.uk = IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx". I know in Plesk I have the DNS records for my primary domain (oneapplications.co.uk) set to point ns1 and ns2 to their respective IP addresses as follows...

ns1.oneapplications A xxx.xxx.xxx.xx0
ns2.oneapplications A xxx.xxx.xxx.xx1

and I also have NS records set to indicate that oneapplications.co.uk uses ns1.oneapplications.co.uk and ns2.oneapplications.co.uk as it's nameservers...

oneapplications.co.uk NS ns1.oneapplications.co.uk
oneapplications.co.uk NS ns2.oneapplications.co.uk

If an internet DNS server queries either ns1 or ns2 do they end up looking at this set of DNS records also? My primary domain is only setup on the first IP (the one that ns1 is using) so if a DNS request is made to ns2 (which has it's own separate IP) which DNS records does ns2 actually use?

Cheers,

Chris.

Hi Chris,

We have flash video tutorials which explain this at http://www.eukhost.com/web-hosting/plesk-tutorial.php

If you still are not comfortable, then you may contact our technical support staff and they will help you set the DNS up for one of your end user's domain. Once you have understood the way it is setup, you may follow suit.

[OneApplications]

Yes I've seen these but I just wanted a bit more clarification.

By the looks of it any query by an internet DNS server to either ns1 or ns2 ends up looking at the primary IP and hence the DNS records of my primary domain.

So with this in mind all I need to do is setup the new client's account, add their domain to their account (using the third IP) and then just point their registrar to my nameservers. I then need to add an A record to the oneapplications.co.uk DNS zone as follows:-

newshareddomain.co.uk A xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (whatever my third IP address is).

I simply replicate this procedure for all new domains that I want to include in shared hosting.

I've already set my DNS template to add my ns1 and ns2 servers as the nameservers for any new domains by the way.

Is this correct??

[eUK-Nick]

Originally Posted by OneApplications

Yes I've seen these but I just wanted a bit more clarification.

By the looks of it any query by an internet DNS server to either ns1 or ns2 ends up looking at the primary IP and hence the DNS records of my primary domain.

So with this in mind all I need to do is setup the new client's account, add their domain to their account (using the third IP) and then just point their registrar to my nameservers. I then need to add an A record to the oneapplications.co.uk DNS zone as follows:-

newshareddomain.co.uk A xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (whatever my third IP address is).

I simply replicate this procedure for all new domains that I want to include in shared hosting.

I've already set my DNS template to add my ns1 and ns2 servers as the nameservers for any new domains by the way.

Is this correct??

Yes, this is correct

[OneApplications]

Thanks Nick!

What's the quickest way to get the new IP by the way?...

[eUKhost.com]

Originally Posted by OneApplications

Thanks Nick!

What's the quickest way to get the new IP by the way?...

Chris

You can submit a ticket for our billing department from http://support.eukhost.com and ask them to generate invoice for additional IPs. They will get back to you once the invoice is generated. You can come on livechat after submitting ticket and ask the concerned billing person to take care of your ticket with priority.

[OneApplications]

Ok thanks! There's no great rush so I'll try to sort that out later on today.

Cheers,

Chris.