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Dear Customer,

We have scheduled Migration of our existing servers in London to our new data centre in Maidenhead. We realise this is a significant move, and are sending this document out to all clients affected to explain the reasons behind the move, and to address any concerns. In summary, this new website will be a significant step forward in the levels of service we provide you, and an exciting development for eUKhost and its clients. Migration has been scheduled in 3 Batches to ensure 100% safe and secure relocation of servers.

Reasons for move
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There are a number of reasons why we have decided to move a significant number of collocated and dedicated servers from London.

1. TelecityRedbus, the company we currently rent our onsite office and data centre space from, are planning to turn the floor where our office is into data centre space. We believe it is critical to our clients that we maintain our onsite staff presence. This will shortly no longer be possible in TelecityRedbus.

2. TelecityRedbus have increased the pricing of data center space by over 70% in 2006, and have announced their intentions to do a further similar increase in 2007. We have absorbed the initial increases of 2006, but increases in 2007 would lead to higher prices for our clients.

3. There is extremely high demand for data center space in London’s Docklands, and very little supply. Our current clients are constantly asking us to provide them with more services, and to facilitate this we need space to expand services in to.

4. TelecityRedbus have made a number of operational changes, which in general have made it more difficult for us to operate the standard of service we set out to deliver. Additionally, it is widely anticipated that they will change hands to a new owner in 2008, potentially bringing instability.

Benefits of move
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The move to Maidenhead is very exciting for us all at eUKhost, because it will allow us to bring great benefits to our clients. These benefits will concrete our position as providing the best hosting experience in the UK.

1. The most significant change compared with London is that the new website will be manned by eUKhost employees 24/7. We are one of a very small number of UK hosting companies who can make this claim. Most – including our company until recently – relied on “generic” data center onsite staff provided by Telehouse, Redbus, Telecity, etc. These staff were shared between many companies, and weren’t trained or familiar with the individual requirements of the diverse companies. We will now have our own technical support engineers on shift at all times 24/7, who will answer telephone calls, support emails and tickets, and deal with any technical support issues you may have onsite.

2. The new website in Maidenhead is very high specification; it is one of the highest specification data centers in the UK. It is four times better than the average Docklands website, and more than twice the specification of the best TelecityRedbus website.

3. We have a long lease on the physical building, stamped by the UK land registry. This is a self-contained data floor, and dedicated to our company. We have control over security access, and there are no unauthorised third parties allowed to do cabling or other potentially disruptive works. This gives the maximum protection for the data environment and our clients.

4. Unlike the London Docklands websites we are located in at present, there is digitally recorded CCTV on every aisle, and an exterior perimeter security fence. Our employees monitor the CCTV 24/7, providing significantly improved security.

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Our network in London has already been extended to Maidenhead for some time. We currently have two dedicated 10 gigabit DWDM links, running over fiber directly between London and Maidenhead. The DWDM means we can upgrade this significantly in future, as needs arrive. The two links from Maidenhead run to two different core websites in London, and take entirely separate physical routes in the public highway to protect against failure. The network is entirely redundant, and there is less than a thousandth of a second of latency to the London Internet Exchange (LINX).

The network will perform exactly as you are used to it doing. There will be no change of IP addresses, and no change in the speed of the network. The network experience will be exactly the same as in London, and in fact improved in redundancy and capacity.

Schedule:

1st Rack :
Date: 18th May 2007
Time: 23:00 – 07:00

2nd Rack :
Date: 25th May 2007
Time: 23:00 – 07:00

3rd Rack :
Date: 26th May 2007
Time: 23:00 – 07:00


Procedure:

As covered in the above message, we have gone to great lengths to prepare for and organise the move of your server. Below is the procedure that we will be following on the date and time noted above:

- We will attempt to 'soft' power down your server(s) by logging on and issuing a shutdown command
- Your server(s) will be 'hard' powered down if this fails
- The rack will be safely removed by a team of technicians from its current footprint and wheeled to a purpose-built vehicle and relocated to the new Data Centre
- The rack will then be moved into position by a second team of technicians and connected into the new infrastructure. At this point the servers will be brought up one at a time and their progress monitored until all servers are fully functional in their new location.

How to contact us:

On the night, there is always the possibility that a server may take longer to be brought live than expected, be it due to disk checks or incorrect configuration. It is more than likely that we will contact you first but in the event that you experience problems with your service and have not heard from a technician please do not hesitate to contact us in one of the following ways:

- Email: support@eukhost.com or open a ticket from http://support.eukhost.com
- Include details of your account
- The problem that you are experiencing
- A telephone number we can contact you at should this be necessary
- Any further information that you feel may be helpful for us.
- Telephone: 0800 097 4828
- keep a watch on this thread of our Forum

Obviously we have taken great care in the arrangements for this relocation including running smaller moves over recent weeks to highlight any potential problems. We would like to take this opportunity to thank all our clients for their patience and suggestions over recent weeks that have aided us during this planning period and look forward to the mutually prosperous future this large operation will create.

Please ensure that you communicate with your customers and provide them with this information to avoid any inconvenience on respective date. Contact our Support Team from our helpdesk ( http://support.eukhost.com ) to know exact date for migration of your server.
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1st Rack :
Date: 18th May 2007
Time: 23:00 – 07:00

Do you mean 18th May for the first rack?

Does this mean that the server will be down from 23:00 to 07:00? You haven't given us much notice to prepare our client base, this could be problematic for us, whilst our long standing clients are very loyal and understanding our newest clients could be understandably disgruntled by this especially with the short notice.

Please reconsider the date of the move.

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Good luck with the move eUKhost, you have chosen best for client-base growth .
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1st Rack :
Date: 18th May 2007
Time: 23:00 – 07:00

Do you mean 18th May for the first rack?

Does this mean that the server will be down from 23:00 to 07:00? You haven't given us much notice to prepare our client base, this could be problematic for us, whilst our long standing clients are very loyal and understanding our newest clients could be understandably disgruntled by this especially with the short notice.

Please reconsider the date of the move.

thanks.
That was a typo in hurry. Apologies for not being able to send this email earlier but servers scheduled for migration tomorrow are few while customers who have their servers scheduled to be relocated on 25th and 26th have sufficient time to inform their customers.

make sure that you give them a call tomorrow morning and keep them informed.
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What are your precedures for any possible damage during transport of a rack. Will you provide backup's of our servers and then restore to new server if there are problems? Or will all files, databases and accounts setups be our responibility?

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That was a typo in hurry. Apologies for not being able to send this email earlier but servers scheduled for migration tomorrow are few while customers who have their servers scheduled to be relocated on 25th and 26th have sufficient time to inform their customers.

make sure that you give them a call tomorrow morning and keep them informed.
But forcing an 8 hour downtime with only 24 hours notice is a bit harsh. Is it such an urgent situation that you cannot give better notice?
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We have 2 backups of all shared, reseller & VPS hosting servers. Initially few backup servers will be moved tomorrow and others with 2nd copy of backup will stay back to be moved on 25th and 26th.

Its only 40 mins drive from our existing London based Datacenter to Maidenhead so hopefully it wont take more than 3 - 4 hours for servers to come online but we have mentioned 8 hours frame to stay on safer side. The moving process has already been planned extensively over last couple of months. We are working in close partnership with a professional IT relocation company. There are 30 staff involved with the relocation, and every precaution is being taken to minimise downtime, and to complete the move successfully. There will be over 15 staff involved on the specific nights that we move our servers.

We have another copy of backups on our US based backup servers so there's absolutely nothing to worry about data. Loss of any data will result in problems for our business so there's absolutely nothing to worry about data.
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I feel that this is really inappropriate, we have many websites and clients. Thanks for the suggestion of phoning them but that is really up to us. I am deeply disappointed, we have only been a client since January. If you have had this planned for some time, you could have at least given better notice. We will have to look into finding another VPS host (but whether we can configure and load up another vps to maintain uptime is doubtful with such a short time frame to do it in), this is just too much and too little notice. If it were us doing this we would have arranged for temporary hsoting on another server to preserve uptime.

Untenable.
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But forcing an 8 hour downtime with only 24 hours notice is a bit harsh. Is it such an urgent situation that you cannot give better notice?
Our senior people have been involved in planning of this migration from last month itself so there's absolutely no reason for you to be worried. We have mentioned 8 hours frame to stay on safer side but servers should start coming online from 3 AM onwards.
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I feel that this is really inappropriate, we have many websites and clients. Thanks for the suggestion of phoning them but that is really up to us. I am deeply disappointed, we have only been a client since January. If you have had this planned for some time, you could have at least given better notice. We will have to look into finding another VPS host (but whether we can configure and load up another vps to maintain uptime is doubtful with such a short time frame to do it in), this is just too much and too little notice. If it were us doing this we would have arranged for temporary hsoting on another server to preserve uptime.

Untenable.
We can provide you with a temporary VPS on other nodes which will stay back but pointing DNS to new VPS and then again pointing back to previous VPS will result in more downtime for you.
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I feel that this is really inappropriate, we have many websites and clients. Thanks for the suggestion of phoning them but that is really up to us. I am deeply disappointed, we have only been a client since January. If you have had this planned for some time, you could have at least given better notice. We will have to look into finding another VPS host (but whether we can configure and load up another vps to maintain uptime is doubtful with such a short time frame to do it in), this is just too much and too little notice. If it were us doing this we would have arranged for temporary hosting on another server to preserve uptime.

Untenable.
I can understand your worries and concern about your business but you wont stay in this state of disappointment after 24 hours.
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24 hours????

But I will for 8 hours whilst I have very little time to tell our clients. I am seeking another VPS now, money is not a problem but maintaining our efforts in keeping good uptime stats really is, not just for us but for our client base. I was going to order another VPS with you. I feel that you should really have planned this better with your clients and their clients in mind.

Maybe some good will come of this for us on another server, but such short notice makes it extremely difficult for us. This is just not the way hosting should be.

I felt that we were close to buying a dedicated with EUK in the near future but this is very disappointing.
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24 hours????

But I will for 8 hours whilst I have very little time to tell our clients. I am seeking another VPS now, money is not a problem but maintaining our efforts in keeping good uptime stats really is, not just for us but for our client base. I was going to order another VPS with you. I feel that you should really have planned this better with your clients and their clients in mind.

Maybe some good will come of this for us on another server, but such short notice makes it extremely difficult for us. This is just not the way hosting should be.

I felt that we were close to buying a dedicated with EUK in the near future but this is very disappointing.
I need to get back to work so we will have further discussion in the evening or Saturday morning.
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Tomorrow evening or Saturday morning would be far too late.

Let's try it this way ..... if you ensure no downtime for all of our client websites, I will order another VPS3 package with you on Saturday. If there is any downtime, we will move to another host.

In light of the short notice and forced downtime you are presently giving, I feel that is very fair, but I would need to know before tomorrow lunch time.
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do u have a servers in usa region? im from usa but i want to have only the free .com domain is it possible?
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do u have a servers in usa region? im from usa but i want to have only the free .com domain is it possible?
I do believe that eUKhost does have some servers in the United States.

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... I felt that we were close to buying a dedicated with EUK in the near future but this is very disappointing.
Fidget, whilst you were complaining to Mark in this public arena I was also complaining in parallel on AIM — I didn't even receive email notification until that time (I saw it here first)! Because I had no indication of which rack my dedicated server is in, I went chasing after Mark and then discovered I was to go in the first wave (Sod's Law scenario, naturally — those of us going first didn't even get informed)!

This isn't the first time I've accused eUKhost of being unprofessional and bad at planning, however, knowing them a lot better now as I do, my philosophy is that they are better to stick with (even now) than run the risk of going elsewhere and being in a worse scenario — this industry is full of incompetence at the budget end of the market and may I dare to suggest that like me, you are probably here because you want value-for-money and therefore have taken a risk in hosting with eUK.

May I further suggest that with my own disastrous past experiences of being a VPS victim, they are as stable as a chocolate teapot and you should not be looking for another one if you have resellers and customers — I don't believe they're of any use to those of us that host! If you're as demanding as me in terms of the reliability and uptime you expect, you MUST go for a dedicated server (as I did) and only then will you say goodbye to all the overload blips, RAM shortages and reboots etc. Anyway, returning to this predicament ...

This is a Catch 22 situation and I don't see how any of us could have planned to have this covered unless we were running a cluster of dedicated servers — as Mark has said, there would be no point in switching DNS for an overnighter outage and we will have to take a hit on uptime stats.

I too am extremely nervous about the approaching move but, at least it's the weekend and many of my clients won't be badly affected — hopefully yours too. It will not only be us who are anxious — eUKhost will have more than egg on their faces if they screw this up ...
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